George Conway says President Donald Trump’s phone call on Saturday with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) is “shocking” but “not surprising.”
Conway, the co-founder of the Lincoln Project and a conservative attorney, weighed in on the phone call where Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” more than 11,000 votes in an effort to overturn the election results.
“It’s shocking, but not surprising,” Conway said during a “Morning Joe” interview on Monday.
He continued, “The real question that pops up here and pops up, again and again, is how delusional is he? Is he that delusional or is this — or is he just desperate, and I think it’s a little bit of both.”
While saying Trump is “absolutely desperate to avoid leaving office on January 20th,” Conway called the president “delusional in the sense that he thinks this is the way to do it.”
“The reason why he’s desperate, frankly, is because something more than him having to leave the grounds of the White House happens on January 20th. Something more important. He loses his immunity from criminal liability on January 20th,” Conway said.
Watch Conway’s interview below:
Conway also tweeted in the early morning, “The president committing criminal acts on unsecure telephone lines is the actual national security threat here. It’s he who should be investigated.”
The president committing criminal acts on unsecure telephone lines is the actual national security threat here. It's he who should be investigated. https://t.co/2hgM2130HX
— George Conway (@gtconway3d) January 4, 2021
Even though the Electoral College vote affirmed Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election, Trump has continued to push unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud and refused to concede the election.
During the phone call over the weekend, which The Washington Post obtained, Trump said, “The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” adding, “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”
Raffensperger responded, “Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”
Trump also said during that call, “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state.”
In case you missed it:
The audio of Trump demanding the Georgia secretary of state “find” enough votes so his loss to Biden can be overturned needs to be heard to be believed pic.twitter.com/jzjzwhcgDl
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 3, 2021
The Georgia secretary of state spoke out about that phone call during a Monday interview on “Good Morning America.”
“He did most of the talking. We did most of the listening but I did want to make my points —the data that he has is just plain wrong,” Raffensperger said.
Congress will hold a joint session on Jan. 6 to formally count the Electoral College votes. The presidential inauguration is set for Jan. 20, 2021.
